Posts by William Penwell

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Kingdom Hall sold. Now a mosque.

by punkofnice in

so much for dedicating the kingdom hall, hallfields lane, peterborough, .

pe4 7yh for 'true worship(tm)'.. it's now a mosque.. not that i care anymore, i have finished thinking much about the jobos.

moved on and glad of it.. just thought you'd be interested.. now i'll sod off again for another few months.

William Penwell

This is nothing new a couple of Kingdum Halls sold where I live and is now a Sikh Temple. Well no difference they are all cults.

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Spain: A group of elder requires clarification to Ministry of Justice regarding sexual molestors

by sp74bb in

jw
friends

letter sent today to the ministry of justice... .

spain bethel sent a letter recently last oct 3 interpreting that no elder or sm should request a certificate of sexual offenses as other churches or persons in contact with kids.

again jw.org interprets the law to their behalf.. a group of elders in madrid has sent this letter to ask clarification !!.

William Penwell

It wouldn't be the first time the mother organization/GB has left the local elders out to dry.

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Potential Muslim convert

by StopTheTears in

jw
friends

about a month ago, i purchased arabic/english gospels of john that contain a commentary for muslims.. .

i went to one of my neighbors and spoke to him and gave him one.

fast forward to today, my brakes need done so i took my car to the shop, walking back into my street i saw my friend abdullah outside.. .

William Penwell

Oh how exciting. Man swaps one set of superstitions for slightly different set of superstitions.
Halle-bloody-lujah!
Why have you posted three random internet pics?

Same s*it, different pile.

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JW's know how to guilt trip....

by HereIgo in

when i left the org, the jw's tried their best to guilt trip me.

some of the questions i was asked and things i was told:.

"how could you possibly be happy outside of jehovah's organization?

The dubs are all trained in their theocratic warfare and are good at using emotional black mail, passive aggressive guilt tripping etc. I have not step foot in a kingdum hall, outside of attending my parents memorial services, now for about 15 years and have being in active for about 30 years yet some of my family members still use these sleazy tactics. I really do not think they know what they are doing but it is due to the brain washing, mind control cult. I know when I was in I used the same type of tactics.

Back in 1984 when I was newly married and our first son was a newborn, I was missing meetings during the week because I was taking some night school courses to get certifications I need for my job. The Elders came calling on us and warned me of the spiritual dangers of missing meetings and pursuing and education in this time of the end. One of them said "You wouldn't want to have come this far just miss out on everlasting life and have some other man marry your wife and become your son's father would you?"

I recall back in the mid 80's my ex father in law having a pep talk with me about how short the time of the system is and it was not time to play around in it. A few years later he was stumbled by what some elders said to him and he is no longer a dub to this day. If I ever see him I should say, oh gee I guess the time is getting really short now, time to jump back in.... You know growing up we were told we would not even graduate in this old system. That was 45 years ago and I had a career and I am now retired also.

Don't you want to see Grandma when she comes back? It will break her heart if you don't make it through Armageddon.

This one makes no sense to me because as a dub we were told that in the new system that those memories would be whipped from our memories. So in the dubs teachings, old grannie would forget all about you if you did not make it through into the new system.

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Do JW's ever really grow up ?

by Phizzy in

i ask the above because of my personal experience.

as a born-in i was naive, socially inept and had never really thought deeply about anything.. i was also unable to accept arguments based upon reason and facts.. just like a child.. it was only after freeing myself from the mind-control of the jw cult that i educated myself and matured as a person to being (almost) an adult.. jw's attitudes and their inability to debate in any meaningful way, (they could start by actually listening),means they have not grown up..

William Penwell

He is super naive sometimes, which is why he was taken as a victim during the housing mortgage scams of the early 2000''s. He was unable to recognize the need to actually read/understand/research what he was signing. The FBI had a look of feeling sorry for him ( Thankfully he was recognized as a just a victim not capable of being guilty in the scam. He lost a good deal of money in the process and still has no idea how much or why. He still has not put himself to the task to figure out how it happened, which means he could be take by the same scheme again if it was presented). It's scary how childlike his thought processes are, especially his financial irresponsibility. He uses procrastination and ignoring instead of handling matters. He would have been bankrupt years ago if I was not in the picture. I see this as a part of the JW mindset. if it6 is too difficult then they don't bother researching.

I can relate and I am sure that money others on here could to. In the JDub world you are never taught to grow up and are so naive and trusting. I only really grew up when I broke free of the mind control.

Note: This is also why the Dubs are prime victims of every quick rich, MLM pyramid schemes that are around.

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Do JW's ever really grow up ?

by Phizzy in

i ask the above because of my personal experience.

as a born-in i was naive, socially inept and had never really thought deeply about anything.. i was also unable to accept arguments based upon reason and facts.. just like a child.. it was only after freeing myself from the mind-control of the jw cult that i educated myself and matured as a person to being (almost) an adult.. jw's attitudes and their inability to debate in any meaningful way, (they could start by actually listening),means they have not grown up..

William Penwell

The JDubs do not reason with an adult mind, everything is black and white in their minds. They can't think for themselves. They also use tactics that 5 year old children would use, like emotional blackmail, passive aggressive. I have always said that the religion or cult attracts some of the most dysfunctional, mentally unstable people.

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Disassociation revealed what type of man my father really is.

by Paul Mooney in

i began my exit from the jehovah’s witness organization about 5 years.

i was a 4th generation born-in, with all the baggage that comes with having the “spiritual heritage” attached to the group.

i was an elder/bethelite/pioneer/whatever other useless privilege there was, i had no family or friends outside of the organization… my entire life was that org.

William Penwell

Paul all the best in your journey. Not to be afraid as there is a whole world outside of that cult.

And, thank you so much for that post. It makes me wonder just how many are trapped in the Cult! Especially older ones like your father. They have invested their heart, soul, and mind in it, only to realize it is all a lie. . . . Doc

I know my elderly parents also before they died reflected on their life and how maybe this was all a big lie. I mean growing up in the 70's we were made to believe that we would never get old but shortly walk together hand in hand into a new paradise earth. Their spirit was broken toward the end of the reality that they were old, feeble and would die in this system. This just makes me so mad that these old men in bethel sold us all on a BS dream of theirs, then when we had doubts as to the teachings of 1975, they turned around and blamed the rank and file members for believing in their lies in the first place.

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Publisher death nail.

by Chook in

i have done this exactly as quoted more than once.

i ask elder if it's better to hide serious sin or reveal, of course we know the answer.

then i ask them to explain elders book page 38 paragraph 19, which say it's sometimes ok for elder who has committed immorality and has kept it secret to continue serving as elder.

William Penwell

Which proves no Holy Spirit involved in appointment

I recall years ago a brother was made an elder and he lied when they asked him if he was still smoking tobacco. Then what happened was his conscience bothered him so much he admitted to the elders he had lied to them. He was then deleted as an elder and reproved. I recall another elder at the time saying that if no one knew about it there was no reason why he should have being reproved or deleted as an elder. Your point though if this organization is spirit directed, how could the elders make an error in the first place? I mean surely an all knowing god would have known the brother had lied. Maybe Jehovoo was on a coffee break at the time.

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Need some advice Re: JW marking by a family member

by William Penwell in

so anyone that has read some of my posts on here over the years knows i have done the slow fade over the last 30 years.

i do not claim to be a jw and have not being in a kingdum hall now to attend a meeting or convention for religious reasons for almost 15 years.

now i know the discussion on here from this past dc was the rank and file dubs have being pressured to distance themselves away from family members that are no longer active dubs that they deem are not living up to wt bible principals.

William Penwell

Thanks so far for the input. I did suspect there was something up the last few months since their last DC as she has being rather cold toward me. I also suspect some family members might have being pressuring her to.

Her explanation is that I was baptised at one time and know what is right and wrong, even though I have not being attending meetings for the past 15 years. The way it was worded it sounded like she was getting advice from someone else. I am at a point where I don't care if she ever talks to me again when she puts the cult over her family. So I will add I do not take well to emotional black mail and passive aggression.

Even my GF doesn't understand why they are doing this and recognizes this as cult type of behaviour. She said to my sister, this is not the way of love and all you are doing is pushing your brother away even more.

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Christians made me stop believing in the Bible

by jws in

i'm agnostic.

there could be a god, but i don't believe it's the god described in the bible.i grew up a jw believing in the bible.

after i left, i didn't want religion but was determined to be a christian on my own.. but things started to unravel.

William Penwell

Exactly! In addition, there are indigenous people living in remote, wild areas on this planet that we are just discovering. I am sure there are others we don't know about and may never know about. So, for all time, these people have lived without any 'preaching' (lucky peeps) and have survived quite well. Any pictures I've seen of these people they definitely do NOT look Christian.

And very happy to without the bible.